If the universe is infinite, with an infinite number of galaxies, starts, planets etc, then the consequences don’t bear thinking about. Since there are a finite number of fundamental particles that can be arrange in a finite number of ways, then it follows that objects repeat themselves in an infinite universe. So there is another planet exactly like this one out there somewhere, and there is another you, with all your thoughts, life, history, doing everything you do, everything identical. Not only that, there are in infinite number of them. Which means an infinite number of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Oh man, I’m going back to bed.
Ultimate Axiom
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Infinity and god - why wait to create the universe?
by Simon inhere's the problem with infinity ... we can't comprehend it.. it's bad enough when it's space, but when it's time as well and then we throw in some all powerful creature supposedly existing forever ... well, it just doesn't make sense and raises questions.. such as why wait?
why didn't god create the universe the day before he did?
or the day before that?
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Infinity and god - why wait to create the universe?
by Simon inhere's the problem with infinity ... we can't comprehend it.. it's bad enough when it's space, but when it's time as well and then we throw in some all powerful creature supposedly existing forever ... well, it just doesn't make sense and raises questions.. such as why wait?
why didn't god create the universe the day before he did?
or the day before that?
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I've been away for a while and came back to this thread. And now my brain hurts. I'm going back to bed.
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Your worst convention experience.
by zeb inby a split second rescuing our handicapped son from being pushed down the stairs by a flood of sisters rushing out to see as the drama had started.. the main offender being a special pioneer..
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Dublin international, early 70s - they had rigged the speakers so each echoed the other - you could hardly hear a thing no matter where you sat - although in retrospect you might say that was a good thing.
Twickenham, late 70s - I was a night guard, and it was obvious me and the other guys weren't wanted. Took ages to get bedded down for a 2.00 am shift. Next day could hardly stay awake. In retrospect, you might also say that was a good thing as well.
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What group within the Witnesses has the highest drop out rate?
by Ultimate Axiom inif you could categorise jehovahs witnesses into their various groups, i.e.
publisher, auxiliary pioneer, regular pioneer, special pioneer, missionary, co, do, bethel worker, born-ins, etc etc, (and you can subdivide into as many groups as you wish) what group do you think has the highest drop out rate?
i remember an ex ny bethellite saying that bethel cured him of the watchtower, and after reading the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/160509/1/warren-schroeder-from-bethel-on-freddy-kline-and-the-apostate-books my guess is that it would be ny bethellites, but i am interested to know if there is a consensus on this, or on any other group, or no group at all..
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Thanks guys. I guess a born/raised in, educated, thinking Bethellite with a high sex drive and a four year stint wouldn't stand a chance. Conversely I suppose, a poorly educated dimwit who's never been within a hundred miles of a bethel, with little sex drive and was converted as an adult stands no chance of getting out.
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What group within the Witnesses has the highest drop out rate?
by Ultimate Axiom inif you could categorise jehovahs witnesses into their various groups, i.e.
publisher, auxiliary pioneer, regular pioneer, special pioneer, missionary, co, do, bethel worker, born-ins, etc etc, (and you can subdivide into as many groups as you wish) what group do you think has the highest drop out rate?
i remember an ex ny bethellite saying that bethel cured him of the watchtower, and after reading the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/160509/1/warren-schroeder-from-bethel-on-freddy-kline-and-the-apostate-books my guess is that it would be ny bethellites, but i am interested to know if there is a consensus on this, or on any other group, or no group at all..
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If you could categorise Jehovah’s Witnesses into their various groups, i.e. Publisher, Auxiliary Pioneer, Regular Pioneer, Special Pioneer, Missionary, CO, DO, Bethel Worker, Born-ins, etc etc, (and you can subdivide into as many groups as you wish) what group do you think has the highest drop out rate? I remember an ex NY Bethellite saying that Bethel cured him of the Watchtower, and after reading the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/160509/1/Warren-Schroeder-from-Bethel-on-Freddy-Kline-and-the-apostate-books my guess is that it would be NY Bethellites, but I am interested to know if there is a consensus on this, or on any other group, or no group at all.
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If god exists...
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if god exists, wouldnt it make more sense for him to show himself today - now that we are a more enlightened people?
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I don't blame God for the evil that people do - I blame Him for sitting on his arse while they do it.
The question from Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar seem appropriate here -
Why'd you (Jesus] choose such a backward time in such a strange land?
If you'd come today you could have reached a whole nation.
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication.
Don't you get me wrong. I only want to know.
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image on google earth
by bigmac inthis is doing the rounds on facebook.
google earth--reference.
47.110579 9.227568 ( i copied it and pasted the number in the g-earth search bar ).
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Zeb, I think you need to install Google Earth, you won't get it with a link in a browser.
No doubt it's a UFO, but I'm puttin my money on a reflection from something in the camera lens.
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Celebrating Christmas?????
by DATA-DOG ini am just curious, and not judging.
if you are a christian and you know that december 25th is not jesus' birthday, and may have pagan roots, then why celebrate it?
i was raised a dub as most of you know, and have learned the ttatt so i know how wrong they are about a lot.
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After I left I had nothing to do with Christmas, Easter, Birthdays, etc, etc for nearly twenty more years. Now I do them all becuase the guilt has gone, and they are a lot of fun.
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Farts - Blasting the Chair at the KH
by Simon Morley indid you try to hold your farts during a meeting or let the slip out?
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i let them go (quitely) and did not give a hell about the reaction..
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I was once sitting a few seats from a sister that had just returned from the ladies room having just changed her baby's nappy (diaper). I let slip a silent one, and when she got wind of it she promptly returned to the ladies to check the nappy. I didn't own up - no way, it was a disgusting one.
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Powerful questions to DEBUNK the Universal Sovreignty issue
by Black Man inok, we've had some great posts about the universal sovreignty issue over the years.
i'd like to have this post be about powerful common-sense questions that get right to the core of unraveling it for the nonsense it is.
when i talk to jw relatives, i'm sticking with the strategy of just posing questions instead of arguing with them.
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1st question, “Can God make a mistake, or be wrong?”
Dub answer is, “No!”
2nd question, “Why not?”
Dub answer is, “Because he can’t, he’s God!” In other words, it’s axiomatic (you might even call it the Ultimate Axiom).
3rd question, “So, if you, as a tiny speck who has never met God, living on a tiny speck of a planet, orbiting a medium sized sun, in a large galaxy, in a massive universe, know that God, who is bigger than an infinite number of universes, cannot make a mistake or be wrong, do you not think that the angels know that as well?”
Dub answer is, “Of course they do.”
Final question then, “So, when Satan first laid down his challenge in the Garden of Eden, do you think that any of the angels might have thought along the lines, ‘Hold on a minute there Jehovah, we think Satan may have a point here.’ To which God replied, ‘Oh dear, I’d better prove he’s wrong then.’ and then preceded to throw his creation into thousands of years of chaos, evil, untold misery and darkness to prove something that didn't need proving - an axiom?”
And herein lies a paradox. Even a moron knows that you do not have to prove an axiom, in fact, generally speaking you can’t - that’s the whole point of them. So by setting out to prove an axiom, God was making a mistake. If everyone knew he couldn’t be wrong, he didn’t need to prove it, but by doing so, what he actually proved was that he could be wrong and make mistakes.
But if it is not a mistake, then there is no axiom, which brings us full circle to question 1, which must therefore be answered without assuming it is axiomatic. So how do you go about proving the answer is “No”? – well the method of proof God is supposed to have chosen is to throw his creation into thousands of years of unspeakable cruelty, evil and darkness. But we won’t know if he proves his point until the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ. So until then, you cannot answer the question. If you try, you are, in the words of the WTS, "going beyond the things written".